Experts Say White House's Conway Response Raises Major Ethical Questions

Mar 3, 2017
Originally published on March 6, 2017 9:36 am

The White House asserted this week that broad swaths of federal ethics regulations do not apply to people who work in the Executive Office of the President. Ethics experts say this sets the Trump White House apart from past administrations.

The administration's assertion was made in a letter that White House Deputy Counsel Stefan Passantino wrote regarding the controversy over White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway's recent ethical issues.

Passantino's letter said that "many regulations promulgated by the Office of Government Ethics ("OGE") do not apply to employees of the Executive Office of the President."

The Executive Office of the President extends well beyond the president's inner circle in the West Wing. For example, under Obama, the Executive Office included 11 separate entities, including the National Security Council, Office of Management and Budget, and U.S. trade representative. (The Trump White House webpage on the Executive Office is not yet populated.)

This all began after Conway's endorsement of Ivanka Trump's clothing line in a February Fox & Friends interview. In response, OGE Director Walter Shaub Jr. had advised that there was "strong reason to believe" that "disciplinary action is warranted" against Conway for "misuse of position" in promoting a product.

In his letter this week, Passantino concluded that Conway had "acted inadvertently" and promoted Trump's products "without nefarious motive or intent to benefit personally."

Who has to follow the rules?

Near the start of his letter, Passantino described the White House's view of ethics:

"We note initially that although many regulations promulgated by the Office of Government Ethics ("OGE") do not apply to employees of the Executive Office of the President, the Office of the White House Counsel has instructed all such employees to abide by 3 CFR 100.1 ..."

Richard Painter, who served as the George W. Bush administration's chief ethics lawyer from 2005 to 2007, said that expansive assertion breaks with the past.

"Every White House has instructed employees that these OGE rules are binding rules for White House and other EOP staff," he wrote in an email to NPR. "The only exception is the President and in some cases the Vice President."

Because of the broad, nonspecific nature of what Passantino wrote, Painter advised that the ethics office should work to get more answers.

"OGE should write back and ask the White House Counsel which OGE rules it believes do not apply to EOP staff," Painter said. "OGE is entitled to know that."

When asked about the OGE's response, a spokesman from that office told NPR, "OGE has received the letter, and we are evaluating it."

NPR has reached out to the White House about which rules officials believe do and don't apply but has not yet received a response.

What does "agency" mean?

Here's what may be at issue in the letter Passantino wrote. He said that White House employees must abide by a particular bit of code (3 CFR 100.1) that comprises a massive amount of regulations. But there's a catch within those regulations, Painter said:

"The issue is that many of the regulations refer to an 'agency,' and the EOP may or may not be an 'agency' within the meaning of that term as it is used in the regulations," Painter wrote.

If the definition of agency is in question, that means major rules also could be. Painter pointed to the section intended to ensure "impartiality" — keeping federal employees from engaging in work that might directly benefit themselves or their family members, for instance — as one example. Another could be the rules regarding when employees may or may not accept gifts from outside sources.

Quibbling over what exactly constitutes an agency has happened before. In 2005, Dick Cheney's office made this kind of argument to justify the way it avoided reporting travel expenses.

"The Office of the Vice President is not an 'agency of the executive branch,' and hence the reporting requirement does not apply," wrote Cheney's general counsel, David Addington, as reported in the Washington Post in 2005.

Painter, however, said that the Cheney instance isn't nearly as consequential as the current debate.

"VP Cheney's office in some respects came a little close to the Trump approach on ethics issues," he wrote. "But the Cheney approach, even if uniquely distinct from that of every other recent Vice President, is a model of compliance compared with the Trump White House."

The agency argument is similar to one that the DOJ made when approving the appointment of Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as an adviser: that the White House Office (a subset of the EOP that itself includes a variety of smaller offices, like the Office of the Chief of Staff and the National Economic Council) is not an agency. That question was similarly at issue in a case pertaining to Hillary Clinton's position on a White House task force during her husband's presidency.

One Obama-era ethics adviser had a blunt response to this kind of debate when it comes to ethics laws.

"This is nonsense. There are debates about whether for other purposes the [White House] is an agency," wrote Norman Eisen, who led White House ethics efforts from 2009 through 2011, in an email to NPR. "Never before for ethics purposes."

"This part of the letter is another salvo in trump's war on ethics. Terrible," he later added.

And focusing on what agency means very easily could be a losing argument, Painter added.

"I am not sure this argument is right so I never would have tried it and would not recommend that the White House do so," he said.

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We have a clearer picture this morning of how President Trump's White House views government ethics rules. In the view of a White House lawyer, ethics rules do not apply to the president's staff. By now, we've heard exceptions to some ethics rules for the president himself, but in a document reviewed by NPR, the White House goes much further, saying that presidential aides aren't covered either. NPR's political reporter Danielle Kurtzleben is here. Hi, Danielle.

DANIELLE KURTZLEBEN, BYLINE: Hi.

INSKEEP: What was the case that caused the White House lawyer to weigh in?

KURTZLEBEN: Right, so this was the big kerfuffle over the last few weeks where Kellyanne Conway went on "Fox & Friends" and promoted Ivanka Trump's fashion line at Nordstrom.

INSKEEP: Yeah.

KURTZLEBEN: So the Office of Government Ethics told the White House what it thought of it, the White House responded, saying, you know, we really don't think Kellyanne Conway acted - nefariously was the word they used.

INSKEEP: So they didn't think that she had intended to violate the rules. But did they admit that there at least were rules?

KURTZLEBEN: Well, yes, but here's the thing - in that letter, there was a portion that everybody focused on - right? - the bit about Kellyanne Conway. But there was a bit that was very easy to miss. And here's what it said. It said, many regulations promulgated by the Office of Government Ethics do not apply to employees of the executive office of the president. And the executive office of the president, I should add, this is not just the president's aides or his inner circle. This is a really, really big entity. It includes things like the National Security Council and the Office of Management and Budget and a bunch of other things.

INSKEEP: I'm thinking that next to the White House, which is itself a pretty large building, there's another huge office building, the old executive office building. It's pretty much everybody who works there you're talking about.

KURTZLEBEN: Yeah. I mean, you have a - you have hundreds of people that this could involve.

INSKEEP: OK. Did previous White Houses say that ethics rules don't apply to anybody on the - in the executive office of the president?

KURTZLEBEN: No, no, no, no. So I called up - I emailed out to Richard Painter, who worked at the Bush White House - the George W. Bush White House - and Norm Eisen, who worked at the Obama White House. So they both said we did not at all work like this. We instructed all of these employees to follow all of the rules. Now, this letter says many of the rules do not apply. So the question is, which rules are they talking about?

INSKEEP: We should, I guess, point out that they also said that even though many rules don't apply, we're going to try to follow the spirit of them. Is that the meaning of this letter?

KURTZLEBEN: Well, this is the question, right? The letter doesn't spell it out. Now, Painter and Eisen, when I asked them, said what may be at stake here, what very likely could be, is the definition of the word agency. Now, a lot of these ethics rules say that they apply to employees of agencies except, the question is, is the executive office of the president - or various offices within it - is it an agency? And that could, depending on the definition, really change how these ethics rules apply.

INSKEEP: OK. So what does the White House say when you raise these questions to them?

KURTZLEBEN: I reached out to them. I did not get an answer. I should also add I reached out to the Office of Government Ethics to see what they asked and what they heard back, and they simply said that they are reviewing the letter. So not much of a response.

INSKEEP: The Office of Government Ethics, that's the office that's supposed to be looking into this stuff and giving advice that you would presume the White House would take.

KURTZLEBEN: Absolutely.

INSKEEP: So we just don't know at this point what the White House believes it has to follow in terms of ethics rules.

KURTZLEBEN: That's correct, yes.

INSKEEP: Danielle, thanks very much.

KURTZLEBEN: Absolutely, thank you.

INSKEEP: That's NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben this morning.

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